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	3) Robert Desart: there are many reasons why I point in his direction.		3) Robert Desart: there are many reasons why I point in his direction.

	* In 2009 the late Guy Moerenhout claimed he had a letter of Robert Desart writing to the newspaper Le Peuple on the 28th of April 1958 that he is the author of ''Les Mémoires de Jef Lambic''. Knowing Guy Moerenhout and the priceless effort he put in his blog ''‘C’était au temps où Bruxelles brassait’'' and describing the old beer days in Brussels, this must be correct. Until now, I wasn’t able to verify this with a relative, but for me there is no doubt.<ref name = Moerenhout2> Morenhout, Guy – [http://biere-et-brasseries-bruxelles.skynetblogs.be/archive/2009/03/07/nouveaux-achats-3-brasserie-wielemans.html ~~Nouveaux Achats~~]</ref>		* In 2009 the late Guy Moerenhout claimed he had a letter of Robert Desart writing to the newspaper Le Peuple on the 28th of April 1958 that he is the author of ''Les Mémoires de Jef Lambic''. Knowing Guy Moerenhout and the priceless effort he put in his blog ''‘C’était au temps où Bruxelles brassait’'' and describing the old beer days in Brussels, this must be correct. Until now, I wasn’t able to verify this with a relative, but for me there is no doubt.<ref name = Moerenhout2> Morenhout, Guy – [https://web.archive.org/web/20130722092040/http://biere-et-brasseries-bruxelles.skynetblogs.be/archive/2009/03/07/nouveaux-achats-3-brasserie-wielemans.html]</ref>

	*The other books by Robert Desart are very much in line with Jef Lambic. Stylish, but also the content. Brussels back in the days…		*The other books by Robert Desart are very much in line with Jef Lambic. Stylish, but also the content. Brussels back in the days…

Adam at 15:35, 6 May 2018

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Adam at 03:11, 3 May 2018

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	===St. / Archangel Michael and Brussels===		===St. / Archangel Michael and Brussels===
			[[File:Saint Michael.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Saint Michael, Grand Place, Brussels]]
	Ever since the 8th century St. Michael is being worshipped in the Brussels area: a place of worship could be found on a hill next to the Zenne river, alongside the Cologne-Bavaria road. When the town of Brussels emerged in the 10th century, St. Michael almost evidently became the patron saint of Brussels. The cathedral of St. Michael and St Gudula traces back to the 11th century and ever since the cult of St. Michael has been cultivated and to date a lot of references to St. Michael (mostly with dragon) can still be found. During the second half of the 19th century the city even financed the		Ever since the 8th century St. Michael is being worshipped in the Brussels area: a place of worship could be found on a hill next to the Zenne river, alongside the Cologne-Bavaria road. When the town of Brussels emerged in the 10th century, St. Michael almost evidently became the patron saint of Brussels. The cathedral of St. Michael and St Gudula traces back to the 11th century and ever since the cult of St. Michael has been cultivated and to date a lot of references to St. Michael (mostly with dragon) can still be found. During the second half of the 19th century the city even financed the
	depiction of St. Michael on buildings. Nowadays, for example the official flag and logo of the city of Brussels carry his image and the archangel still looks upon its inhabitants in the Central Station and a 5m-tall golden statue of St. Michael overpowering the dragon crowns the town hall on the Grand Place.<ref name = Bruzz> Merchiers, Karen – [https://www.bruzz.be/uit/news/nieuw-boekje-en-rondleiding-over-patroonheilige-brussel-2008-06-08 Nieuw boekje en rondleiding over patroonheilige Brussel]</ref>		depiction of St. Michael on buildings. Nowadays, for example the official flag and logo of the city of Brussels carry his image and the archangel still looks upon its inhabitants in the Central Station and a 5m-tall golden statue of St. Michael overpowering the dragon crowns the town hall on the Grand Place.<ref name = Bruzz> Merchiers, Karen – [https://www.bruzz.be/uit/news/nieuw-boekje-en-rondleiding-over-patroonheilige-brussel-2008-06-08 Nieuw boekje en rondleiding over patroonheilige Brussel]</ref>
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	===St. / Archangel Michael and the Lambic.Info Logo===		===St. / Archangel Michael and the Lambic.Info Logo===
			[[File:Societeyt uyt den Engel.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Song text published by Societeyt uyt den Engel featuruing St. Michael]]
	The Lambic.Info logo has been explained as being St. Georges having slayed the dragon. The only clues to the direct meaning of this scene are the mentioning of 1) an unfortunate dragon and 2) an angel. As already pointed out, both St. Georges and St. Michael defeated a dragon but only one of them was an (arch)angel (above being a Saint), St. Michael. As we all know, Georges was “just” a Saint.		The Lambic.Info logo has been explained as being St. Georges having slayed the dragon. The only clues to the direct meaning of this scene are the mentioning of 1) an unfortunate dragon and 2) an angel. As already pointed out, both St. Georges and St. Michael defeated a dragon but only one of them was an (arch)angel (above being a Saint), St. Michael. As we all know, Georges was “just” a Saint.

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	===Les mémoires de Jef Lambic: The Author===		===Les mémoires de Jef Lambic: The Author===
			[[File:Article Desart.jpg\|left\|thumb\|Article on Robert Desart listing ''Les Memoires'' as being written by him]]
	In my opinion the author thus must have been thoroughly acquainted with all aspects of Brussels. If you take a look at the writings concerning these topics (folkloric, Brussels, beer, zwanze,…) of that time, three distinguished men could have done the job, if you ask me: Jean d’Osta, Louis Quiévreux and Robert Desart. Besides these three men I also have to mention Albert Vossen of course, who was acquainted with them. We do know the lecture he gave on geuze<ref name = LambicInfo> Vossen, Albert – [http://www.lambic.info/images/a/a1/Vossen1954Champagne-Gueuze.pdf Champagne - Gueuze]</ref> but I don’t believe the geuze-pope wrote Jef Lambic. He just wasn’t an author like the other three. But being a “Brusseleir cent pour cent” with a lot of knowledge on geuze, folklore and humour he surely must have been an invaluable source.		In my opinion the author thus must have been thoroughly acquainted with all aspects of Brussels. If you take a look at the writings concerning these topics (folkloric, Brussels, beer, zwanze,…) of that time, three distinguished men could have done the job, if you ask me: Jean d’Osta, Louis Quiévreux and Robert Desart. Besides these three men I also have to mention Albert Vossen of course, who was acquainted with them. We do know the lecture he gave on geuze<ref name = LambicInfo> Vossen, Albert – [http://www.lambic.info/images/a/a1/Vossen1954Champagne-Gueuze.pdf Champagne - Gueuze]</ref> but I don’t believe the geuze-pope wrote Jef Lambic. He just wasn’t an author like the other three. But being a “Brusseleir cent pour cent” with a lot of knowledge on geuze, folklore and humour he surely must have been an invaluable source.

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	===Did the Lambic.Info Logo Exist In Real Life?===		===Did the Lambic.Info Logo Exist In Real Life?===
			[[File:Desart - Vignette.png\|right\|thumb\|Vignette found in Desart's work featuring St. Michael]]
	Perhaps it did. The style does differ from most of the other drawings in the book (pen and ink drawings according to the author list at the back of Les impasses et vieilles rues de Bruxelles; Anne Quiévreux told me Robert Desart also used the linocut-technique). It is plausible to say that is has been a bar sign and that the name of the bar was St. Michael-related.		Perhaps it did. The style does differ from most of the other drawings in the book (pen and ink drawings according to the author list at the back of Les impasses et vieilles rues de Bruxelles; Anne Quiévreux told me Robert Desart also used the linocut-technique). It is plausible to say that is has been a bar sign and that the name of the bar was St. Michael-related.

Adam: /* New Findings, 2018 */

2018-05-03T02:55:23Z

New Findings, 2018

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	==New Findings, 2018==		==New Findings, 2018==
	Throughout 2017 and 2018, Gaëtan Claes of [[Brouwerij_3_Fonteinen\|3 Fonteinen]] provided a thoroughly researched and referenced background on the origins of the Lambic.Info as well as its potential author. We are extremely grateful for the vast amount of new information that has come to light through Gaëtan's work!		Throughout 2017 and 2018, Gaëtan Claes of [[Brouwerij_3_Fonteinen\|3 Fonteinen]] provided a thoroughly researched and referenced background on the origins of the Lambic.Info logo as well as its potential author. We are extremely grateful for the vast amount of new information that has come to light through Gaëtan's work!

	===An Alternative to Saint George===		===An Alternative to Saint George===

Adam at 02:54, 3 May 2018

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Matt at 15:30, 29 September 2015

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	Though the Bollandists sought to dispel many of the legends and rumors that surrounded the various saints of Europe, the legend of Saint George had become part of the cultural and religious lore of Belgium in general, just as it had across many parts of Europe. UNESCO recognizes celebrations dating back to the 14th century in the Belgian city of Mons in Saint George’s name as an event of Intangible Cultural Heritage and Humanity. <ref name = UNESCO> UNESCO – [http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/RL/00153 Processional giants and dragons in Belgium and France]</ref> With these celebrations also came the traditional feasts and drinking. As we have discussed the [[A_Brief_History_of_Lambic_in_Belgium\|cultural history of lambic]] elsewhere, it is safe to say that as the legend of Saint George became part of the traditional story telling culture of Belgium at the time, so too did the notion of the Saint slaying the dragon and returning to drink to his success and to the prosperity of the town and its people. In Belgian terms, this means that over time the traditional drink would have been lambic. The theme of the hero returning to celebrate the slaying of a monster is not uncommon in early literature and persisted in many of the folkloric tales of early modern Europe.		Though the Bollandists sought to dispel many of the legends and rumors that surrounded the various saints of Europe, the legend of Saint George had become part of the cultural and religious lore of Belgium in general, just as it had across many parts of Europe. UNESCO recognizes celebrations dating back to the 14th century in the Belgian city of Mons in Saint George’s name as an event of Intangible Cultural Heritage and Humanity. <ref name = UNESCO> UNESCO – [http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/RL/00153 Processional giants and dragons in Belgium and France]</ref> With these celebrations also came the traditional feasts and drinking. As we have discussed the [[A_Brief_History_of_Lambic_in_Belgium\|cultural history of lambic]] elsewhere, it is safe to say that as the legend of Saint George became part of the traditional story telling culture of Belgium at the time, so too did the notion of the Saint slaying the dragon and returning to drink to his success and to the prosperity of the town and its people. In Belgian terms, this means that over time the traditional drink would have been lambic. The theme of the hero returning to celebrate the slaying of a monster is not uncommon in early literature and persisted in many of the folkloric tales of early modern Europe.

	[[File:BrasserieDuDragon.jpg\|right\|thumb\|~~Brasseire~~ du Dragon, with the same address as Cantillon today]]		[[File:BrasserieDuDragon.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Brasserie du Dragon, with the same address as Cantillon today]]
	Saint George is the patron saint of many places and of many things, and he is often found in reference to beer and brewing. Many breweries are either named for him or have beers alluding to him and his feats. According to Frank Boon of [[Brouwerij_Boon\|Brouwerij Boon]], Saint George is even the patron saint of lambic brewers<ref name=LambicDigest> Lambic Digest, May 12, 1994 – [https://www.lambic.info/lambic_digest/1994/342.txt Mariage Parfait and the Procession of St. Veronus] </ref>, though other sources note that it is actually Saint Veronus who is the patron saint of lambic brewers and also the town of [[The_Language_of_Lambic#The_Town_of_Lembeek\|Lembeek]]. This statement does have some factual backing. The Saint Veronus Church in the town does have dragon motifs, and these are atypical for the period and region in general. Many have also seen references to [[Brasserie_Cantillon\|Cantillon’s]] [[Cantillon_Bière_du_Dragon\| Bière du Dragon]]. Though little is known about the actual beer, logos on coasters and breweriana show a pronounced dragon. At one point, there was also a “[[Brasserie_Du_Dragon\|Brasserie du Dragon]]” whose address was the same as Cantillon’s today (56 rue Gheude B-1070 Brussels) and who listed Gueuze-Lambic and Krieken as their products. Research is still ongoing as to the origins of that name and brewery.		Saint George is the patron saint of many places and of many things, and he is often found in reference to beer and brewing. Many breweries are either named for him or have beers alluding to him and his feats. According to Frank Boon of [[Brouwerij_Boon\|Brouwerij Boon]], Saint George is even the patron saint of lambic brewers<ref name=LambicDigest> Lambic Digest, May 12, 1994 – [https://www.lambic.info/lambic_digest/1994/342.txt Mariage Parfait and the Procession of St. Veronus] </ref>, though other sources note that it is actually Saint Veronus who is the patron saint of lambic brewers and also the town of [[The_Language_of_Lambic#The_Town_of_Lembeek\|Lembeek]]. This statement does have some factual backing. The Saint Veronus Church in the town does have dragon motifs, and these are atypical for the period and region in general. Many have also seen references to [[Brasserie_Cantillon\|Cantillon’s]] [[Cantillon_Bière_du_Dragon\| Bière du Dragon]]. Though little is known about the actual beer, logos on coasters and breweriana show a pronounced dragon. At one point, there was also a “[[Brasserie_Du_Dragon\|Brasserie du Dragon]]” whose address was the same as Cantillon’s today (56 rue Gheude B-1070 Brussels) and who listed Gueuze-Lambic and Krieken as their products. Research is still ongoing as to the origins of that name and brewery.

Matt: Added link to book and minor language edits

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	==Original Signage==		==Original Signage==
	The legend of Saint George and its apparent connection to Belgium, the town of Lembeek, beer, and lambic in general is apparent after some research. What is still unknown is ~~where~~ the inspiration for the original drawing ~~of the sign~~ by Robert Desart in the back of Les Memoris de Jef Lambic and the saying came from. It may be nothing more than a picture ~~made up~~ by ~~the~~ Desart ~~ca.~~1955 as he was illustrating the book, but it may also be a sign ~~that is~~ still hanging above ~~the~~ door of an estaminet or café in an undiscovered corner of Brussels. Our hope is to someday find the original and uncover more of its history. The idea to adapt this logo for the project comes both out of respect for the cultural history of lambic and from the continued research that it represents.		The legend of Saint George and its apparent connection to Belgium, the town of Lembeek, beer, and lambic in general becomes apparent after some research. What is still unknown is the inspiration for the original sign drawing by Robert Desart in the back of [[Books#Les_Memoirs_de_Jef_Lambic\|Les Memoris de Jef Lambic]] and where the saying came from. It may be nothing more than a picture imagined by Desart in 1955 as he was illustrating the book, but it may also be a depiction of a real sign, possibly even still hanging above a door to an estaminet or café in an undiscovered corner of Brussels. Our hope is to someday find the original and uncover more of its history. The idea to adapt this logo for the project comes both out of respect for the cultural history of lambic and from the continued research that it represents.

	==References==		==References==

Adam: /* Saint George, The Dragon, and Beer */

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Saint George, The Dragon, and Beer

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	[[File:BrasserieDuDragon.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Brasseire du Dragon, with the same address as Cantillon today]]		[[File:BrasserieDuDragon.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Brasseire du Dragon, with the same address as Cantillon today]]
	Saint George is the patron saint of many places and of many things, and he is often found in reference to beer and brewing. Many breweries are either named for him or have beers alluding to him and his feats. According to Frank Boon of [[Brouwerij_Boon\|Brouwerij Boon]], Saint George is even the patron saint of lambic brewers<ref name=LambicDigest> Lambic Digest, May 12, 1994 – [https://www.lambic.info/lambic_digest/1994/342.txt Mariage Parfait and the Procession of St. Veronus] </ref>, though other sources note that it is actually Saint Veronus who is the patron saint of lambic brewers and also the town of [[The_Language_of_Lambic#The_Town_of_Lembeek\|Lembeek]]. This statement does have some factual backing. The Saint Veronus Church in the town does have dragon motifs, and these are atypical for the period and region in general. Many have also seen references to [[Brasserie_Cantillon\|Cantillon’s]] [[Cantillon_Bière_du_Dragon\| Bière du Dragon]]. Though little is known about the actual beer, logos on coasters and breweriana show a pronounced dragon. At one point, there was also a ~~“Brasserie~~ du ~~Dragon”~~ whose address was the same as Cantillon’s today (56 rue Gheude B-1070 Brussels) and who listed Gueuze-Lambic and Krieken as their products. Research is still ongoing as to the origins of that name and brewery.		Saint George is the patron saint of many places and of many things, and he is often found in reference to beer and brewing. Many breweries are either named for him or have beers alluding to him and his feats. According to Frank Boon of [[Brouwerij_Boon\|Brouwerij Boon]], Saint George is even the patron saint of lambic brewers<ref name=LambicDigest> Lambic Digest, May 12, 1994 – [https://www.lambic.info/lambic_digest/1994/342.txt Mariage Parfait and the Procession of St. Veronus] </ref>, though other sources note that it is actually Saint Veronus who is the patron saint of lambic brewers and also the town of [[The_Language_of_Lambic#The_Town_of_Lembeek\|Lembeek]]. This statement does have some factual backing. The Saint Veronus Church in the town does have dragon motifs, and these are atypical for the period and region in general. Many have also seen references to [[Brasserie_Cantillon\|Cantillon’s]] [[Cantillon_Bière_du_Dragon\| Bière du Dragon]]. Though little is known about the actual beer, logos on coasters and breweriana show a pronounced dragon. At one point, there was also a “[[Brasserie_Du_Dragon\|Brasserie du Dragon]]” whose address was the same as Cantillon’s today (56 rue Gheude B-1070 Brussels) and who listed Gueuze-Lambic and Krieken as their products. Research is still ongoing as to the origins of that name and brewery.

	==Original Signage==		==Original Signage==

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	Below the [https://www.lambic.info Lambic.Info] logo a saying in French reads ''« Après avoir terrassé le dragon, l’ange boit à votre santé. »'' Loosely translated to English it means ''“After slaying the dragon, the angel toasts to your health.”'' The saying and original illustration come from the very last page of an important work of early lambic literature titled [[Books#Les_Memoirs_de_Jef_Lambic\|Les Memoirs de Jef Lambic”]] written by Jef Lambic, who was the son of a lambic brewer at Brouwerij De Keersmaeker and illustrated by Robert Desart, a Belgian folkloric artist. No other explanation was given except for the phrase and the original image, and it immediately jumped out at us. We decided to dig deeper into the origin of the image and the meaning behind the phrase and adapt it for our logo here.[[File:LambicInfoDragon.png\|right\|350px]]		Below the [https://www.lambic.info Lambic.Info] logo a saying in French reads ''« Après avoir terrassé le dragon, l’ange boit à votre santé. »'' Loosely translated to English it means ''“After slaying the dragon, the angel toasts to your health.”'' The saying and original illustration come from the very last page of an important work of early lambic literature titled [[Books#Les_Memoirs_de_Jef_Lambic\|"Les Memoirs de Jef Lambic”]] written by Jef Lambic, who was the son of a lambic brewer at Brouwerij De Keersmaeker and illustrated by Robert Desart, a Belgian folkloric artist. No other explanation was given except for the phrase and the original image, and it immediately jumped out at us. We decided to dig deeper into the origin of the image and the meaning behind the phrase and adapt it for our logo here.[[File:LambicInfoDragon.png\|right\|350px]]
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Matt: /* Acta Sanctorum and Jean Bolland */

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Acta Sanctorum and Jean Bolland

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	==''Acta Sanctorum'' and Jean Bolland==		==''Acta Sanctorum'' and Jean Bolland==

	Though the hagiography of Saint George had been well established for centuries and his legends firmly entrenched in European and other cultures, the end of the Renaissance period n Europe saw a renewed interest in the serious study of Christian Saints and their acts and an effort to expel many of the medieval myths surrounding them. This included a detailed analysis of the acts of Saint George by Jean Bolland.<ref>Christopher Walter - The Warrior Saints in Byzantine Art and Tradition, 2003</ref> Bolland was among a group of Jesuit scholars who worked on and published the Acta Sanctorum (Acts of Saints) in a series of volumes between 1643 and 1794. Bolland was born in 1596 in the village of Julémont, near the city of Liège in Belgium who identified as Flemish and undoubtedly had experience with the beers made famous in Brueghel’s [[Lambic_pitchers_and_other_stoneware#Historical_use\|paintings]]		Though the hagiography of Saint George had been well established for centuries and his legends firmly entrenched in European and other cultures, the end of the Renaissance period in Europe saw a renewed interest in the serious study of Christian Saints and their acts and an effort to expel many of the medieval myths surrounding them. This included a detailed analysis of the acts of Saint George by Jean Bolland.<ref>Christopher Walter - The Warrior Saints in Byzantine Art and Tradition, 2003</ref> Bolland was among a group of Jesuit scholars who worked on and published the Acta Sanctorum (Acts of Saints) in a series of volumes between 1643 and 1794. Bolland was born in 1596 in the village of Julémont, near the city of Liège in Belgium who identified as Flemish and undoubtedly had experience with the beers made famous in Brueghel’s [[Lambic_pitchers_and_other_stoneware#Historical_use\|paintings]]

	==Saint George, The Dragon, and Beer==		==Saint George, The Dragon, and Beer==

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	Though the Bollandists sought to dispel many of the legends and rumors that surrounded the various saints of Europe, the legend of Saint George had become part of the cultural and religious lore of Belgium in general, just as it had across many parts of Europe. UNESCO recognizes celebrations dating back to the 14th century in the Belgian city of Mons in Saint George’s name as an event of Intangible Cultural Heritage and Humanity. <ref name = UNESCO> UNESCO – [http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/RL/00153 Processional giants and dragons in Belgium and France]</ref> With these celebrations also came the traditional feasts and drinking. As we have discussed the [[A_Brief_History_of_Lambic_in_Belgium\|cultural history of lambic]] elsewhere, it is safe to say that as the legend of Saint George became part of the traditional story telling culture of Belgium at the time, so too did the notion of the Saint slaying the dragon and returning to drink to his success and to the prosperity of the town and its people. In Belgian terms, this means that over time the traditional drink would have been lambic. The theme of the hero returning to celebrate the slaying of a monster is not uncommon in early literature and persisted in many of the folkloric tales of early modern Europe.		Though the Bollandists sought to dispel many of the legends and rumors that surrounded the various saints of Europe, the legend of Saint George had become part of the cultural and religious lore of Belgium in general, just as it had across many parts of Europe. UNESCO recognizes celebrations dating back to the 14th century in the Belgian city of Mons in Saint George’s name as an event of Intangible Cultural Heritage and Humanity. <ref name = UNESCO> UNESCO – [http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/RL/00153 Processional giants and dragons in Belgium and France]</ref> With these celebrations also came the traditional feasts and drinking. As we have discussed the [[A_Brief_History_of_Lambic_in_Belgium\|cultural history of lambic]] elsewhere, it is safe to say that as the legend of Saint George became part of the traditional story telling culture of Belgium at the time, so too did the notion of the Saint slaying the dragon and returning to drink to his success and to the prosperity of the town and its people. In Belgian terms, this means that over time the traditional drink would have been lambic. The theme of the hero returning to celebrate the slaying of a monster is not uncommon in early literature and persisted in many of the folkloric tales of early modern Europe.

	[[File:BrasserieDuDragon.jpg\|right\|thumb\|~~Brasseire~~ du Dragon, with the same address as Cantillon today]]		[[File:BrasserieDuDragon.jpg\|right\|thumb\|Brasserie du Dragon, with the same address as Cantillon today]]
	Saint George is the patron saint of many places and of many things, and he is often found in reference to beer and brewing. Many breweries are either named for him or have beers alluding to him and his feats. According to Frank Boon of [[Brouwerij_Boon\|Brouwerij Boon]], Saint George is even the patron saint of lambic brewers<ref name=LambicDigest> Lambic Digest, May 12, 1994 – [https://www.lambic.info/lambic_digest/1994/342.txt Mariage Parfait and the Procession of St. Veronus] </ref>, though other sources note that it is actually Saint Veronus who is the patron saint of lambic brewers and also the town of [[The_Language_of_Lambic#The_Town_of_Lembeek\|Lembeek]]. This statement does have some factual backing. The Saint Veronus Church in the town does have dragon motifs, and these are atypical for the period and region in general. Many have also seen references to [[Brasserie_Cantillon\|Cantillon’s]] [[Cantillon_Bière_du_Dragon\| Bière du Dragon]]. Though little is known about the actual beer, logos on coasters and breweriana show a pronounced dragon. At one point, there was also a “[[Brasserie_Du_Dragon\|Brasserie du Dragon]]” whose address was the same as Cantillon’s today (56 rue Gheude B-1070 Brussels) and who listed Gueuze-Lambic and Krieken as their products. Research is still ongoing as to the origins of that name and brewery.		Saint George is the patron saint of many places and of many things, and he is often found in reference to beer and brewing. Many breweries are either named for him or have beers alluding to him and his feats. According to Frank Boon of [[Brouwerij_Boon\|Brouwerij Boon]], Saint George is even the patron saint of lambic brewers<ref name=LambicDigest> Lambic Digest, May 12, 1994 – [https://www.lambic.info/lambic_digest/1994/342.txt Mariage Parfait and the Procession of St. Veronus] </ref>, though other sources note that it is actually Saint Veronus who is the patron saint of lambic brewers and also the town of [[The_Language_of_Lambic#The_Town_of_Lembeek\|Lembeek]]. This statement does have some factual backing. The Saint Veronus Church in the town does have dragon motifs, and these are atypical for the period and region in general. Many have also seen references to [[Brasserie_Cantillon\|Cantillon’s]] [[Cantillon_Bière_du_Dragon\| Bière du Dragon]]. Though little is known about the actual beer, logos on coasters and breweriana show a pronounced dragon. At one point, there was also a “[[Brasserie_Du_Dragon\|Brasserie du Dragon]]” whose address was the same as Cantillon’s today (56 rue Gheude B-1070 Brussels) and who listed Gueuze-Lambic and Krieken as their products. Research is still ongoing as to the origins of that name and brewery.

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	Below the [https://www.lambic.info Lambic.Info] logo a saying in French reads ''« Après avoir terrassé le dragon, l’ange boit à votre santé. »'' Loosely translated to English it means ''“After slaying the dragon, the angel toasts to your health.”'' The saying and original illustration come from the very last page of an important work of early lambic literature titled [[Books#Les_Memoirs_de_Jef_Lambic\|"Les Memoirs de Jef Lambic”]] written ~~by Jef Lambic, who was the son of a lambic brewer at Brouwerij De Keersmaeker~~ and illustrated by Robert Desart, a Belgian folkloric artist. No other explanation was given except for the phrase and the original image, and it immediately jumped out at us. We decided to dig deeper into the origin of the image and the meaning behind the phrase and adapt it for our logo here. What is still unknown is the inspiration for the original sign drawing by Robert Desart in the back of [[Books#Les_Memoirs_de_Jef_Lambic\|Les Memoris de Jef Lambic]] and where the saying came from. It may be nothing more than a picture imagined by Desart in 1955 as he was illustrating the book, but it may also be a depiction of a real sign, possibly even still hanging above a door to an estaminet or café in an undiscovered corner of Brussels. Our hope is to someday find the original and uncover more of its history. The idea to adapt this logo for the project comes both out of respect for the cultural history of lambic and from the continued research that it represents.[[File:LambicInfoDragon.png\|right\|350px]]		Below the [https://www.lambic.info Lambic.Info] logo a saying in French reads ''« Après avoir terrassé le dragon, l’ange boit à votre santé. »'' Loosely translated to English it means ''“After slaying the dragon, the angel toasts to your health.”'' The saying and original illustration come from the very last page of an important work of early lambic literature titled [[Books#Les_Memoirs_de_Jef_Lambic\|"Les Memoirs de Jef Lambic”]] written and illustrated by Robert Desart, a Belgian folkloric artist. No other explanation was given except for the phrase and the original image, and it immediately jumped out at us. We decided to dig deeper into the origin of the image and the meaning behind the phrase and adapt it for our logo here. What is still unknown is the inspiration for the original sign drawing by Robert Desart in the back of [[Books#Les_Memoirs_de_Jef_Lambic\|Les Memoris de Jef Lambic]] and where the saying came from. It may be nothing more than a picture imagined by Desart in 1955 as he was illustrating the book, but it may also be a depiction of a real sign, possibly even still hanging above a door to an estaminet or café in an undiscovered corner of Brussels. Our hope is to someday find the original and uncover more of its history. The idea to adapt this logo for the project comes both out of respect for the cultural history of lambic and from the continued research that it represents.[[File:LambicInfoDragon.png\|right\|350px]]
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	==New Findings, 2018==		==New Findings, 2018==
	Throughout 2017 and 2018, Gaëtan Claes of [[Brouwerij_3_Fonteinen\|3 Fonteinen]] provided a thoroughly researched and referenced background on the origins of the Lambic.Info logo as well as its potential author. We are extremely grateful for the vast amount of new information that has come to light through Gaëtan's work!		Throughout 2017 and 2018, Gaëtan Claes of [[Brouwerij_3_Fonteinen\|3 Fonteinen]] provided a thoroughly researched and referenced background on the origins of the Lambic.Info logo as well as its potential author. We are extremely grateful for the vast amount of new information that has come to light through Gaëtan's work!

	===An Alternative to Saint George===		===An Alternative to Saint George===
	At first sight when looking at the lambic.info logo, one cannot but link it to the story of St. Georges. Living in a “Christian” country like Belgium it immediately points in the direction of this dragonslaying saint, as the story is well-known and there is an obvious beer-connection. Traditionally the brewing season for “regular” beer was very similar to the lambic brewing season nowadays. To protect the beer from infection e.a. one could only brew during cold weather. As a matter of fact the official end date was the 23rd of April, the date of death of … St. Georges. Brewing was prohibited from that day until the 29th of September, the Christian Feast of St. Michael, archangel Michael that		At first sight when looking at the lambic.info logo, one cannot but link it to the story of St. Georges. Living in a “Christian” country like Belgium it immediately points in the direction of this dragonslaying saint, as the story is well-known and there is an obvious beer-connection. Traditionally the brewing season for “regular” beer was very similar to the lambic brewing season nowadays. To protect the beer from infection e.a. one could only brew during cold weather. As a matter of fact the official end date was the 23rd of April, the date of death of … St. Georges. Brewing was prohibited from that day until the 29th of September, the Christian Feast of St. Michael, archangel Michael that
	is. ~~I want~~ to bridge the gap here ~~and~~ point out that archangel Michael too overpowered a dragon, and a very important one too. As St. Georges killed a dragon only for his own benefit, or Christianity’s, St. Michael overpowered a dragon for the benefit of us, mankind. Let me tell you the story of Michael.		is. In order to bridge the gap here it is necessary to point out that archangel Michael too overpowered a dragon, and a very important one too. As St. Georges killed a dragon only for his own benefit, or Christianity’s, St. Michael overpowered a dragon for the benefit of us, mankind. Let me tell you the story of Michael.

	The story of archangel Michael can be found in the last part of the New Testament and thus the		The story of archangel Michael can be found in the last part of the New Testament and thus the
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	The Lambic.Info logo has been explained as being St. Georges having slayed the dragon. The only clues to the direct meaning of this scene are the mentioning of 1) an unfortunate dragon and 2) an angel. As already pointed out, both St. Georges and St. Michael defeated a dragon but only one of them was an (arch)angel (above being a Saint), St. Michael. As we all know, Georges was “just” a Saint.		The Lambic.Info logo has been explained as being St. Georges having slayed the dragon. The only clues to the direct meaning of this scene are the mentioning of 1) an unfortunate dragon and 2) an angel. As already pointed out, both St. Georges and St. Michael defeated a dragon but only one of them was an (arch)angel (above being a Saint), St. Michael. As we all know, Georges was “just” a Saint.

	In addition to that St. Georges is almost always depicted riding a horse while stabbing the dragon, which is clearly not visible on the logo. ~~Although I must admit the absence of the angel’s lifeline, his wings.~~ Moreover ~~I want~~ to emphasize that the text says “terrasser” which means “to overpower”, not “to kill”. When looking at the biblical texts of both St. Georges and St. Michael the first one “killed” the dragon and the latter “overpowered” it. One last element that may point to St. Michael is the fact that the author of ''Les mémoires de Jef Lambic'' was not only telling the life story of Jef Lambic (if he ever existed, cf. infra) but wanted, in my opinion, to educate the reader on folkloric and everyday life in bygone Brussels during the previous decades and mainly the turn of the 20th century. The author must have been a		In addition to that St. Georges is almost always depicted riding a horse while stabbing the dragon, which is clearly not visible on the logo. Moreover it's important to emphasize that the text says “terrasser” which means “to overpower”, not “to kill”, though in English the most common construction is "to slay" if speaking about a dragon. When looking at the biblical texts of both St. Georges and St. Michael the first one “killed” the dragon and the latter “overpowered” it. One last element that may point to St. Michael is the fact that the author of ''Les mémoires de Jef Lambic'' was not only telling the life story of Jef Lambic (if he ever existed, cf. infra) but wanted, in my opinion, to educate the reader on folkloric and everyday life in bygone Brussels during the previous decades and mainly the turn of the 20th century. The author must have been a
	Brusseleir or at least someone very close to Brussels (physically or by heart). St. Michael is just around the corner…		Brusseleir or at least someone very close to Brussels (physically or by heart). St. Michael is just around the corner…

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	===Les mémoires de Jef Lambic: The Author===		===Les mémoires de Jef Lambic: The Author===
	[[File:Article Desart.jpg\|left\|thumb\|Article on Robert Desart listing ''Les Memoires'' as being written by him]]		[[File:Article Desart.jpg\|left\|thumb\|Article on Robert Desart listing ''Les Memoires'' as being written by him]]
	~~In my opinion the~~ author thus must have been thoroughly acquainted with all aspects of Brussels. If you take a look at the writings concerning these topics (folkloric, Brussels, beer, zwanze,…) of that time, three distinguished men could have done the job~~, if you ask me~~: Jean d’Osta, Louis Quiévreux and Robert Desart. Besides these three men I also ~~have to~~ mention Albert Vossen of course, who was acquainted with them. We do know the lecture he gave on geuze<ref name = LambicInfo> Vossen, Albert – [http://www.lambic.info/images/a/a1/Vossen1954Champagne-Gueuze.pdf Champagne - Gueuze]</ref> but I don’t believe the geuze-pope wrote Jef Lambic. He just wasn’t an author like the other three. But being a “Brusseleir cent pour cent” with a lot of knowledge on geuze, folklore and humour he surely must have been an invaluable source.		The author thus must have been thoroughly acquainted with all aspects of Brussels. If you take a look at the writings concerning these topics (folkloric, Brussels, beer, zwanze,…) of that time, three distinguished men could have done the job: Jean d’Osta, Louis Quiévreux and Robert Desart. Besides these three men it is important to also mention Albert Vossen of course, who was acquainted with them. We do know the lecture he gave on geuze<ref name = LambicInfo> Vossen, Albert – [http://www.lambic.info/images/a/a1/Vossen1954Champagne-Gueuze.pdf Champagne - Gueuze]</ref> but I don’t believe the geuze-pope wrote Jef Lambic. He just wasn’t an author like the other three. But being a “Brusseleir cent pour cent” with a lot of knowledge on geuze, folklore and humour he surely must have been an invaluable source.

	1) Jean d’Osta: the most renowned of these men. He was an intellectual jack of all trades. He created the figure of Jef Kazak (does it ring a bell?) and wrote a bunch of stories that are similar to Jef Lambic (just take a look at his bibliography. Louis Quiévreux was a close friend and likely knew Robert Desart.		1) Jean d’Osta: the most renowned of these men. He was an intellectual jack of all trades. He created the figure of Jef Kazak (does it ring a bell?) and wrote a bunch of stories that are similar to Jef Lambic (just take a look at his bibliography. Louis Quiévreux was a close friend and likely knew Robert Desart.

	2) Louis Quiévreux: Brussels linguist, intimate of Jean d’Osta and very close with Robert Desart. Quiévreux and Desart had a long standing relationship according to an email conversation ~~I had~~ with his daughter Anne Quiévreux. Quiévreux and Desart published many books together, Quiévreux being the writer and Desart the illustrator. Take a look at ‘Les Impasses et Vieilles Rues de Bruxelles’ for example.		2) Louis Quiévreux: Brussels linguist, intimate of Jean d’Osta and very close with Robert Desart. Quiévreux and Desart had a long standing relationship according to an email conversation with his daughter Anne Quiévreux. Quiévreux and Desart published many books together, Quiévreux being the writer and Desart the illustrator. Take a look at ‘Les Impasses et Vieilles Rues de Bruxelles’ for example.

	But Robert Desart actually was not only the illustrator but also the author of ''Les Mémoires de Jef Lambic''. I wanted however to introduce d’Osta and Quiévreux because their style, status, topics,… are so close to Desart that I am convinced they must have influenced Desart regarding the content.		But Robert Desart actually was not only the illustrator but also the author of ''Les Mémoires de Jef Lambic''. I wanted however to introduce d’Osta and Quiévreux because their style, status, topics,… are so close to Desart that I am convinced they must have influenced Desart regarding the content.